I want to be proven wrong.

I've been told again and again exactly what I have to do to succeed. Hard work is always stronger that any other factor, focusing on it is simply stupid, take routine breaks, always try something new, and have fun. It takes far longer for me to start feeling that way than it takes to learn it.

I have my own demons and I know for a fact no one cares about it, I'm all alone and that's why I'm here. I want people to prove my feelings wrong, not in the "Do A, B, AND C" way but in the ego shattering way.

Shattering my ego puts me in a state of hopelessness I deserve to be in as it makes me to stop thinking about others, stop thinking about my feelings, stop thinking about everything but my drawings.

To see how insignificant they are. To see every mistake there is to learn from.

Because there is always something I can do better, something I should have been doing already, something I should have been learning.

Like a lot of you have been saying hard work is the only way to make good art so here's an example of what I get from that:

You make some art and people don't like It. That must mean you're not working hard enough and no one is going to care about you art as the only good art that is ever made comes from working harder. You should have done better and worked harder and draw till your eye go pink because that's hard work. Because getting good needs time and the time you don't try getting better is the more time you're terrible.

I asked this question in the hopes to be proven wrong, so I can stop coping about this.

though now that I think about it, is this in and of itself cope?

i also asked this because I'm interested the topic. Love other peoples thoughts it makes everything more interesting

Oh hell no!

we're not finishing this thread with porky pig, They're to lame for the endings!

let me do it

*Ahem*

This is how it happened

How the thread died

YEAH!

GO NEWGROUNDS, GO GO!

GO NEWGROUNDS, GO GO!

GOOOO NEWGROUNDS!!!!!

You're right!

the situations we're born into influence our potential but don't hinder it unless you lost an arm or something.

Again hard work beats out all.

wait... If I'm not trying to improve not and use all my time to improve that must mean I'm a bad artists. DANM IT I'M BEING A HYPOCRITE! I NEED TO STRIVE FOR AN IMPOSSIBLE STANDARDS TO IMPROVE NOW!!!!

I think you're close to the mark here.

I think that the point you and Riger44 made is more complex than it seems. Person A and B, they got advantages and disadvantages in both their situations. It's what you do with them that makes them good or bad.

You think Vincent van Gogh would have been as good if he wasn't introduced to fine art and paintings? His family was bit more well of than others of the time so he at least at the start had better odds.

The point you and Riger44 made only applies if the Artist has the time and resources to make the art they want to make. artists with more time and resources can exploit them more if they wanted to, though they might not do so. Maybe because they don't see a need too? people will less learn how to push what they already have to the limits.

I suppose we're both right, factors in your life do effect your art and you as a person.

But like all things, Hard and smart work beats out everything

You're so right!

There is no correct answer as people who make great art have and will come from both situations!

Of course there is a dice roll when people are born and they lives they'll have. Maybe some of the greatest artists are just stacking shelfs right now?

Or you can be like me and think that the greatest artists are the ones who don't try be consumed by the now and work towards their future to get out of it.

this is so brain tickling

Yes that's a good point you got, But anyone could be like that with enough hard work and dedication.

Now lets look into this.

lets say both person A and B are like person C because they did a fusion dance or something.

FFFUUUUUUSSSIIIIOOONN!!!!

Who is more likely to be seen? Person A of course, as they are more likely to have a support network and more money to get around. Person B has less resources so they have less opportunities to be seen.

It doesn't matter if you're the best if no one knows you

Now this might be shallow point as hard work does always beat out talent and privilege.

you have to understand there have been and will be people who are like person A and B who have the discipline of person C.

The world isn't black and white so I know everything eventually will happen as long as there's the slimmest chance of it happening. So who has the better odds? Should we care about them much or should we always take it into account?

ho ho ho this is so interesting isn't it?

Sorry for the confusion. with the whole common passion, niche passion thing.

I just came up with that because from what I've seen the more mainstream interests tend to be more watered down and bastardised.

I tried to come up with a way to pose that as a simple question anyone could answer, but I seems like it blew in my face.

I like the points you made about their art style and point of view. They're very strong factors that are in play.

I probably over looked them because art style is often what is is because we as people are influenced by the media and culture we consume. Too many factors to consider.

With people points of view, that's one of the points the question.

If your life and point of view is different from others how would that effect your art? I know for a fact that most people aren't good artists or have the composure to try to improve all the time till they're in the late 20's.

There is this idea in art spaces that suffering, being depressed and having a bad life makes you a better artist. The idea is that it would give you a more relatable and interesting point of view. It's dumb as horrible lives only make broken people, sure your comics selling well but that 60 hour work weeks looking pretty nasty.

this was fun to think about so thanks for pointing these out

Who out of the two is more likely to make better art?

A: A person who lived in a good life, is generally liked, and enjoys things everyone likes(Marvel, AAA games, Shonen anime,etc)

Or

B: A person who lived a bad life, has to deal with people who hate them, and they're interests are very niche (heard of Age Of Bronze: A Thousands Ships?)

now think a bit here...

ok here is some questions. Just food for thought because It's a interesting conversation to have.

Who would have more substance and things to say with their art? Who is more likely to conventionally succeed with their art? Who has to work harder to get the same results as the other? Who would developed the discipline that is required to make better art then what they made before?

So much to think of

I'm getting concerned

most of you are just giving up on the spot and saying you suck at all of them.

I believe that all of you can do this, just doing one exercise a day is already more than most artists do and it's very easy.

It just feels like there isn't effort put into trying to improve, instead you all say why your art looks trash even though you only draw once a month.

you know what I'm at here right?

I looked at your art posts, I think your a good artist.

Every artist has a weak spot, that's why we're all different. often so our art is defined by what you don't want to draw, as you draw everything else but that! Especially when it comes to art style

Now now. This isn't a excuse to ignore your weaknesses. Your art is as technically impressive as the worst part.

If you lift your worst up to a higher level, everything else will rise more.

construction is the shapes and forms you draw to plan out your drawing, the first sketch of it.

Composition is where the focus of the piece is, aka the places you want peoples eyes go to

I recommend drawing 2D and 3D shapes every odd day or so, it'll help a lot. that and studying composition and construction when you get the time.

What a simple question!?!

anywho from what I can remember the 7 art fundamentals that universally help with art are; Perspective, construction, gesture drawings, anatomy, light and colour theory, composition, and design. Of course the names and order of these change all the time but that's the basic run down.

I struggle with Construction the most.

I struggle to define dynamic and useful 3D shapes when drawing, whenever I try to learn to construct thing I get overwhelmed, for example a face is drawing 3 dimensionally my brain freezes for 2 hours for something I could have learnt in 10 minutes.

heck I'm making this post because my brains confused.

But I know for a fact I need to just go back and redo basic drawing of boxes, circles, and triangles again for a couple of days before going into the complicated things.

Draw a box is a useful free learning website so if you want help it'll help you a lot.

ok your turn to share, what do you find the hardest of the 7?

dude you go the default Tankman profile pic, what are you on about?

you probably forgot to change it or something. sorry about the sass.

hay now, I'm dealing with depression as well. It's so damn hard. Every day it feels like I'm climbing a mountain just to take care of myself. I don't know what to do, or if it's possible to get out of this state of my state of mind.

I do know one thing. focusing on what makes me happy makes it go away even if little. So I would stop Pursuing it because I know that being happy and taking care of myself is a good thing. I makes me feel good and it allows me to be ready to help others and make people smile.

There's this song I found that has helped me a lot, it's called beautiful, made by Eminum.

it summaries how depression feels better than I ever can so maybe it could be a nice listen for you?

Maybe I'm grasping straws here? either way YOU'RE A AWSOME PERSON YOU KNOW THAT?

I've got a strategy that helps me from time to time. I think it would help you

so you open up a music album and play it while you're making, lets say a drawing.

But every time a new song starts you have to focus on another part of the drawing, starting to plan out the background or something.

for me the songs help break down the long process into digestible steps

hay that helps me too!

I think you're onto something here. Thank you for recommending this cool piece of advice

I suppose you get closer to what you want to do. Though the reality is that the journey of "following your dreams" is nonlinear.

Most people say that you should " Do A, B, and C and you'll be better than even SLIM SHADY!!!". They don't help in the slightest. We already have been told what we're meant todo, but it's just always framed as if it's work and NOBODY WANTS TO WOORRK!

I just decided one day to draw a lot because I find it more fun than watching videos all day. Sure it isn't instantly gratifying but that's how I like it.

It's never a good Idea to strive for a perfect and optimised day because that sort of lifestyle takes years to form, It's better to just have fun with yourself

what a relatively positive bad cop, probably better what I would have done

I would have done this if I were bad cop

The white eyes make your characters face more readable because the white separates and draws attention to the eyes compare to the grey head.

If a character have eyes that are the same colour as their skin they look like they don't have any face at a glance

kinda like this image

now that is a good think if you wanna creepy and spooky look, but if you don't want that than it's good to keep in mind

*Yawn*

All of us want to be more skilled with our art or spent a lot of time into a idea of a project we dream about making

If you think you're different because your ideas are amazing then you sound like this:

"A'my work be gr'leater than Emini'em" with my made up accent included!

At the end of the day most of us get distracted by the idea and what it could be if you're a "better" artist.

Now I admit I'm a distracted artists myself, I say and think about making my dream comic every day but spend all of my time watching anime, playing video games, and being sucked into the hell hole we call short form content.

Than when I actually do draw I only do it for an hour and get disappointed and compare it to the works I did months ago that I spent 3 or 4 hours on.

It's a self destructing cycle. To become better you have to put time into it, but when you're depressed and waste a day it makes it harder to get back up the next day.

We all know how to get good, we're just too focused on the wrong things.

so here is my point:

I want YOU!

yes, you, the Newgrounds user who has "nothing better to do" but read my mini personal essay

please love yourself, and please just follow what you're passion!

For those in the art forums it's likely drawing, some of you probably want to make music. Heck one of you probably want to become a radish farmer like Goku for some reason.

PAUSE... why are you here inspired Radish Farmer? WHHY‽‽‽

It's such a simple thing I keep on forgetting!

The worlds future greatest, and more importantly, happiest artists keep on distracting themselves we're afraid and forget to treat ourselves with love. Instead they spend 6 hours straight building a cheep sprite figure that they don't even like.

I actually did that last night, and I was told I looked like death by a relative after doing it (⊙︿⊙)

I need to make a point so no one waste time learning this lesson again! or maybe this is just cope?

I'll yet the reader decide.

*Yawn*

you should go to bed early tonight, I know you haven't slept enough

being rebellious is different for everyone, if the stereotype you mentioned is rebellious from your perspective than that's rebellious.

I think that stereotypes are taken to seriously by a bunch of dummies so I don't think the "creative nonconformist" stereotype is rebellious because being a stereotype is the definition of conforming to what's normal.

but that's my opinion and I know you probably think of these stereotypes differently from mine.

it's best not to over think it :P

This is Newgrounds, a sense of humour is required isn it?

thank you for your kind words

wow that's something I didn't think about that before

plus you used that Emplemon quote is so well, love his videos

I said Artists are rebellious not fa- you know what, I don't want to humour you

If I allow myself to get down into that dark place... I'll never come back

It's so serious I had to quote batman

Thank you

you're right

If I'll be honest I probably shouldn't have started in the first place.

After all, I written being an artist at the start of this thread like it's something "cool" and "against the world" like some kind of edgy superhero with twenty knifes. I also only focused on what I view art as instead of what other view it as which is simple minded.

but hay that doesn't matter now does it? I made a mistake and now I can learn from it.

though I must clarify compare everyone here, my opinion is more worthless dead maggots so please take it with a grain a salt.

I shouldn't have romanticised any stereotypes in the first place, for that I'm very sorry

but you also brought up an interesting point, you said people often gravitate to pop culture, nsfw and all that stuff.

lets break this down:

Erotic content is often consumed at bulk so they will always get more attention but that also means people don't care about the art itself, only what it is on a surface level.

Popular IP and fandoms have a higher demand because people are already invested into the stories/characters.

what do all the most popular fandoms like Star wars and Undertale have in common? They were made at a time when they were very unique ideas that weren't done before. that's why fandoms often don't maintain their large sizes for more than 20 years because that fandoms interest becomes something that's common place

(I'm looking at you star wars, most of your die hard fans are experiencing their middle aged back pains)

now this is all useless for the majority of us as most of us won't become all famous and stuff.

To be honest my whole argument falls apart once people get more interested in someones art because than they'd like anything they make.

So was this what you were thinking? if so bravo!

Who told you I would need to have permission or not to cook?